Ohh!  Hi.  It's always nice to meet people in real life and then again online.

I saw South Shore was up for sale last year.  How's the new owner?  Is he willing to get it properly dredged or will you all have to find someplace else to keep your boats?

Fair enough.  But I'd like to have a cover to keep water out.  The battery box is right below the companion way where foulies drip, rain gets in and wet dogs lie... it collects enough water and would just as soon not have to reach my hand in tight cracks where water, electricity and potentially acid meet in order to sop it up.

And until I find some batteries with a smaller form factor, I'll just live with it as-is.

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Edit:  Sold last winter.

Hi all,
Thought I'd post this motor here too.  It's a terrific little dinghy motor for an inflatable and much lighter than a 4-stroke engine of equivalent size.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicle … Z413121925

Feel free to take a look at the kijiji ad or get in touch with me for pictures / details etc.

Cheers,
Jordan.

It depends on your ice box.  The Contessa has numerous cabin layouts that vary from a half-sized ice box on the port side to a full, sliding cover icebox on the starboard.

I have not changed my icebox design.  Like yours, it does not insulate well.  If I need insulation, I bring a proper modern cooler.  Otherwise, it's just beer and drinks and ice lasts for two days in cold water.

Some other ice box lessons...
1) I learned the hard way to remove all paper labels of anything that goes in the ice box.
2) Do not bring items that require refrigeration.  It's a luxury, not a necessity.
3)  Packing ice blocks on the bottom with frozen items, then more frequently used items on top helps to keep items cold longer.
4) Do not accidentally block the drain or everything is swimming.
5) No glass bottles (no glass on the boat either.)

I'm curious to know how your icebox is difficult to access... all of the designs I have seen have been open from the top and easily accessible.  Please post a pic or description of your layout.

Interesting, interesting.
I have a battery compartment, immediately forward of the companion way stairs.  There is barely room even for two batteries and when they are in there, it is near impossible to remove them.  As far as I am aware, I have never seen a drain plug.  Any water that leaks in remains.

Further, there is absolutely no room for any sort of battery box.  In fact, the previous owner kept a battery that was too tall for the space and you can see where it has marked the cabin sole cover.

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Hmmm... I think the Taylor 26 has 2,300 lbs of ballast.  Are these numbers different due to JJ Taylor vs Jeremy Rogers versions or due to the change in ballast material over time?

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3532

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Ian, there is a video floating around - I saw it on VHS tape - about a fellow who was rolled + 3 crew in his Contessa.  The video was shot from shore, the boat took a wave which put it on its side and then the second wave rolled it right over.  The mast stuck in the mud, broke off and the craft righted itself.

The skipper was still sitting at the helm, and in shock, while his 3 crew were over and swimming.

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I've heard several theories about why HMS Bounty had left harbour.  They most popular theory is that the captain felt safer trying to skirt the storm, in open water, rather than be penned in and be crushed against land, shipping containers and so-on.  Land is not necessarily where you want to be during a hurricane.  Since the captain was one of those who did not return, we may never know the real reason... still waiting to hear from the crew.

I know that military ships leave port during mega storms like this, but they are fully manned, well maintained and performing a service that may be worth a life...  the Bounty, if destroyed at shore, would have been a shame but nobody would have died.

I guess some days it's just a coin toss and you make decisions on the best information available at the time.

I bought my boat in Bayfield... Even after they 'dredged' the basin, with spring run off, I reversed out of the slip for the first time and hit ground.  We had to drag the boat through the mud in order to get to the dock for mast stepping and then back again across the basin into the slip.  I moved the boat to Goderich after the first night.

If Django is in the same basin... yikes and good luck.

I managed to drop my engine oil filler cap into the murky bilge.  After quite some time of fishing around down there with the long grabbers, I gained 2 of somebody else's screw drivers that I still use today, a bag of zip ties, the oil filler cap and *almost* a credit card.  The credit card still lies in the deep...

The original Farymann K34 is still available for sale from the USA... as long as you aren't in the USA.  (Something to do with EPA requirements and they can't sell to boaters.)  They call it the 18W now but is the same engine.

There are also other engines you can pick up that will drop into the Contessa but many are 10+ hp.

One interesting note though, since the Federal government took over boat registration there is no longer a length requirement.  Therefore, if you stick with the original engine (or any under 10HP) you are not required to go through registration of your Contessa.

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Sorry we missed him in November.  Lets make sure we follow-up for our December meeting.

Oliver, you may wish to follow-up and ask about requirements for joining such a race.  I would imagine that most of us do not have PHRF ratings for our boats and on many long distance races there are very particular safety requirements that must be met.  These may preclude some of us from racing.

It's not so much that the boats may not be capable but the fleshy bits that steer them.

Hi All,

I've volunteered to help put gather feedback and ideas to put together a program outline for the 2013 season.

At the meeting on November 1, we generally agreed that we would try for 3 major sail events, 2 speaker events and monthly meetings to stay in touch.

What type of events would you like to see?  So far the following has been suggested...
1.  A fun "race".  The idea being to get some Contessa's on the water and improving your sailing ability .  It will all be in good fun.  We're going to make it possible for everyone to participate since many of the group have never raced before and almost none of us have PHRF or IRC ratings.

2.  A Toronto Area cruise weekend.  This will be fairly light and social as many of us already live here.  It will likely be hosted by one of the yacht clubs with our members in attendance.

3.  A Western Lake Ontario cruise.  This will be a longer distance cruise for those that live in Toronto.  The idea being that we can put our cruising skills to proper use and go new places.  We're open to suggestions on a pleasant destination.  Likely 10-27NM from Toronto... as far east as Cobourg, as far west as Hamilton, or as far south as Niagara-on-the-Lake.  We didn't talk about crossing the border but that's an option I suppose.

Also, bertinol is looking to setup a couple speaker nights.  Do you have any ideas on what topics you would like to hear/see?  Just to get the discussion started...
- Solo cruising ...
- History of JJ Taylor and the Contessa...
- Port reviews and slide shows from around the lake from those that have been there... (maybe several members can present photos from their area or places they've travelled?)
-  <Place your ideas here!>

Finally, would you prefer to have a fixed night for meetings or should we pick dates at each event?  For example, should we pick something like, "First Thursday of the month"?  Or should we leave it up for discussion?

We're looking to solidify the program outline by December and then begin picking dates in January after the boat show.  Please submit all of your ideas now if you want them included on the calendar!

Cheers,
Jordan.

It's too bad Kevin missed our ABYC meet.  That would have been a good introduction.

Anyway, Kevin, glad you've connected now.

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I just started this lively discussion over at Sailnet too.

So far, the general consensus is that a 3-blade prop has less drag while spinning.

Two other points...
1)  A folding prop won't work correctly if it is spinning as the blades will open up and cause drag.
2)  The jury is still out on my question regarding the 2-blade prop behind my full keel.  How do you ensure it's locked vertically?

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Interesting.  That goes against my intuition and gut feelings.

I sail with it locked in reverse (or neutral if I forget).  Definitely not in forward.

My intuition comes from this simple experiment;  As a fisherman, I toss out spinner lures and real them in.  There is significant drag while pulling in a free-wheeling 'propeller' as it drags through the water.  If the lure locks up and stops spinning, the pull suddenly goes light and I know it is no longer pulling.  That translates to my gut feeling that a spinning object has more drag than not.

Also, I have a 2-blade prop.  If it lines up with the keel (big 'if' I suppose) presenting no surface area then it obviously doesn't cause any additional drag what so ever.  Now, if it were spinning, then obviously it would present surface area and cause drag.

Now I'm interested to find out why their results differ from my intuition.

Air cooled in that tight space?!  Yikers.  You're going to need some good air movement to keep that cool.  I'm going to stay away from that.

Sailing near fresh water lakes that have really cold water, I'd say that would be my choice of cooling. Quiet, effective and plentiful.  On the ocean, I may reconsider.

Why not stick with a Farymann?  7hp, still available, solid lumps.  If you can live with 6hp, then you could live with 7hp and it fits right in without any rejigging.  The price is reasonable as well.  Although you aren't supposed to buy these for marine use in the USA (EPA regulations), they will ship them to Canada with no problem.

Adrian wrote:

Can you push the tiller over far enough to clear the cockpit?

And to what extent does the traveller improve the sail handling?

The tiller is never out of the way completely.

The latter is a harder question to answer since a) I haven't sailed with the double-mainsheet setup and b) my mainsail is rather old and out of shape.  Having said that, a traveller is a key sail shaping control and without it, you're compromising quite a bit.  I suspect it makes a markable improvement in mainsail performance over the double-sheet controls.  (keep in mind my above two points a & b)

Correct.  The tiller can only be pushed to the side and not up / out of the way.

I do prefer a traveller and think it is the better setup.  George Gurr also has a nicely built traveller bracket on his boat.

Hi Adrian,

I have seen that boat for sale over a long period of time.  I don't know anything about her though.

With regards to your traveller comment, the traveller must be that high to accommodate the vertical movement of the tiller.  Mine is at least that tall and probably farther aft.  This creates several problems;  Leverage on the base plates as well as increased load due to the mainsheet's angle to the boom.

You can take a look at my base plate, which is less robust than his if I bring the boat out this weekend.  Mine has stood the test - I sailed it in over 35-40knots AWS which destroyed the aluminium track, pin-stops and 2,000lbs snatch blocks with no ill effect on the traveller support.

Second, the angle to the boom can be compensated for by purchasing cars&tracks that will accept the side-load, or angling the track&car on the bracket so that the load to the boom is perpendicular to the support beam.  I took the former, Little Minute took the latter.  His looks nicer but wasn't going to work without some major rejigging on my boat.

In other words, the traveller is awesome, don't sweat it.

The boom looks like the proper height to me.

Hi All,

We met another Contessa on the water today.  Northern Spy II #137 from Port Credit Yacht Club.  We hailed over the open water and told the fellow to check the forums to find our contact information.  I sure hope he does.  It is a pretty little navy blue boat and it looks like it's in great shape.  Lets hope he decides to join our little class association... one more to the ranks?

Does anyone have a contact at PCYC?  Perhaps I should call there and leave a message with our info.

At any rate, Northern Spy II... if you read this message, then Welcome Aboard!!

Regards,
Jordan.
Vixen, 1983 Contessa 26 #312

Hi All,
Just saw this post on Sailnet and thought some of you may be interested.  I do not know this person but sounds like he's a fellow Contessa owner so thought I'd pass it on.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/crew-want … hamas.html

Regards,
Jordan.

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Hi Phil,
I am travelling and don't have the manual with me.  However, the best place to ask about anything Farryman is Entec West ( http://entecwest.com/ )  The mechanic there has been extremely helpful and knows more about Farryman engines than anyone else I've ever met.  It's a good contact number to know for parts and advice.

edit:  oops, you were asking about transmission fluid.  I'm guessing you have the Hurth transmission, as I do, and you may wish to look up info on the model of transmission you have rather than the Farryman engine.

Cheers,
Jordan.

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cPaul wrote:

I fly a Gennaker -- and love it.

Hi cPaul,

We were talking about side load on the boat and someone on another forum gave me the warning about it as well.  Since the sheaves are fore/aft facing and the spin halyard is pulling a side load when you are flying the gennaker; How do you prevent wear&tear and more importantly jamming when dousing the chute?

Further, I need to know how everyone is flying the symmetric spinnaker as the other spinnaker halyard on our boat is actually a spare genoa halyard and as such appears to be below (or even) with the fore stay.  Does everyone use the genoa halyard or have you rigged a secondary spinnaker halyard block above the fore stay?