I am at work right now, and when I come to work I live here for two weeks, then I go home.  While I am here I am working on a project for Virago.  To move ahead with the project I need a measurement from a Contessa:  I need the the thickness of the wood trim on the inboard edge of the quarter berths that holds the cushions in place.  Not the top-to-bottom depth, I need the width - I think it's something like a half inch.  I go home on Wed. and I'd like to fit this new piece into Virago, so if any one is going to be at their boat in the near future I'd appreciate the help!  Oh ya, Virago is an '85, but I suspect this trim didn't change much over the years.

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(9 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

I've see such bags in use before, either roomy sail bags or "sausage bags" as we called them in the early '80s.  There was a time when you could buy them, but I haven't gone looking for one lately to know if they're still out there.  One minor warning: If you leave a headsail hanked on all the time without covering the luff completely, the rope up the luff (if you have a rope luff) will shrink.   That makes for a lousy set of the headsail because the luff line is now 18" shorter than the sail!  You end up with ghastly horizontal folds in the sail that won't pull out no matter how hard you pull on the haliard.  I just had to repair my #3 that had that problem.  If you intend to use a headsail cover in a long term application, make sure it goes right around the sail, hanks and all.  If you have a sail that has those symptoms, the repair is not difficult if you do your own minor sail repairs - just open up the sail near the head, add line as needed (I whip and stitch), then sew it back up again.  Voila.

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(55 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

Hello Stefan;

I work in the town in Meaford, Ont., and Gary Bannister keeps a Contessa 32 in the marina here.  I see him occasionally and would be willing to ask him if there is any definitive way to date your boat next time I see him at his boat.  There may have been design or construction quirks that he may be familiar with that would help narrow it down.

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(0 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

I've posted some info. about a storm jib for sale in the Items for Sale section of the forum.

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(1 replies, posted in For Sale)

I recently viewed a storm jib from a CS 27 that was offered to me.  I already have a Raudaschl storm jib and so declined, but this other one is a fine sail for anyone that wants it.  It's a bit bigger than my storm jib, but smaller than my #3 genoa (100%).  I'm guessing this little jib is around 80% or so.  It's made by Lee Sails of Hong Kong and is easily the most heavily constructed sail I've seen.  The sail is located on the Bruce Peninsula - that's the spit of land between Georgian Bay and Lake Huron in Ontario (same place I am...).  I haven't spoken to the owner of the sail directly so I don't know the price ("I'll leave it at the marina office for you - take it or not"  It was that sort of arrangement) but if anyone is interested in it, I'll get the details or put you in touch with the owners who are in Waterloo, Ont.

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(13 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

Hi John,

Thanks for the details.  This past two weeks I carried my #2 (130%), #3 (100%), and storm jib.  I have to agree that the 3 is by far the most versatile of sails.  In lighter airs the boat balances better under the 2 (Raudachl made a big main), but the 3 would done nearly as well in performance.  I did not miss my 150% at all, though we've had a fairly windy summer up here on Georgian Bay.  As for storm jibs, I know of one for sale.  It's off a CS 27 and it's easily the most heavily built sail I've ever seen.  Built by Lee Sails of Hong Kong.  It's a bit bigger than the storm jib built for the Contessa, but I'll bet it's about 90%.  If you are interested leave a note and I'll try to get the details for you.  I suppose I should post this in the "for sale" section of the forum....  Last week I had an occasion to sail Virago under storm jib and reefed main and made 5.5 knots upwind!  That's speed over ground measured with a GPS in strong winds with moderate chop.

I read some exchanges about edging veneer etc.  An excellent source for such things is Lee Valley Tools.  They are a very high end tool vendor that caters to fine wood working enthusiasts, cabinet makers etc.  They sell beautiful veneers and edging.  I know they have various outlets around Ontario, and I think they are across the country, but for certain they offer mail order service all over Canada (and the States).  If you google Lee Valley Tools I'll bet you'll find them.  If you've never seen their catalogue I must warn you that it's wood working pornography - all sorts of dreamy things most of us will never get to enjoy.

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(6 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Bilgret, if you find this communication - I like the sliding aspect of your table and I hope it's not patented...

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(6 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Hi Seeadler,

Thanks for the photos.  I have table envy.  If you built the table top, you did a fine job; I especially like the edge trim.  I've priced out furniture grade plywood with different veneers and was shocked and appalled by the price.  My quest now is to go yard saling (yard sailing?) and come up with a coffee table or end table with a nice top that I could re-work into the board I need.  I don't want to sacrifice the original table in case I ever (gulp) sell the boat.

Your suggestion is similar to my thoughts but I need to come up with a collapsible or removable support system for the board when it is in table mode.  Is your table pole telescopic or variable in height by any chance?  It looks like it is.  Adrian suggested a removable pole - another possibility.  Yours appears to be mounted farther aft than in my factory built layout, is it?  I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense for meal time as it give better access to the galley when the table is up. Mine is inconvenient where it is.

I like the enclosure under the bottom companionway step too - an additional couple of cubic feet of storage never hurts...

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(32 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

NO! WAIT!! I WAS NOT SUGGESTING THE USE OF A GASOLINE STOVE ON A BOAT!!!! For the love of God no!  I was just suggesting the use of a heat shield of sorts to surround an alcohol stove, or a butane stove, or any other small portable stove.  The only ONLY reason I mentioned a camp stove is because that's where the idea came from, and where models of collaplible heat shields already exist.  Other writers have expressed concern about the radiant heat from their stove affecting the bulkhead, cabin roof, whatever boat parts are near the stove.  All I'm suggesting is getting the stove as far away from burnable things as possible and then using a non-flamable shield to put some dead air space (i.e. insulation) around the stove.  NO, not a gas stove on the boat!!!!  An aluminum cookie sheet for example proped up, hung,  or somehow mounted with an inch of space between it and a bulkhead for example would greatly reduce the amount of heat transferred to the bulkhead.  Anyone with a woodstove in their house will recognize this idea as quite often walls need to be protected with heat shields too - usually a sheet of steel or asbestos mounted on spacers 1" from the wall and 3" from the floor and ceiling to keep the wall and thus the studs in the wall from heating up to the point of combustion.  Those were my key points: keep the stove (or heater) secured to the boat so it can't move around while lit, and use some heat shielding if needed.

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(32 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Yes, it's me AGAIN.  Confession time: I work with boats for a living and play with boats in my free time and so my head is always full of boat thoughts.  Pardon me if I seem, well, full of boat thoughts.  Anyhoo - a brain storm for those who are looking to work with a heating or cooking appliance where one is not originally accomodated.  Here goes:

I have a tiny backpacking stove, an MSR model that comes with a folding aluminum heat shield/wind screen.  What if one were to adapt this idea to a boat?  If you had the Origo heater/cooker (what Shannon referred to as a soccer ball!), or any other small stove for that matter, you could set it down low in the cabin - say on the floor, or on a settee without the cushion, then put a temporary heat shield around it to keep from combusting combustables.  You could probably fake one up out of a heavy aluminum foil turkey roasting pan, or cookie sheets, or find your local sourse of thin aluminum or stainless sheet and make up something that is hinged.  Again, such things can be aquired for camp stoves (Colgan or Coglans or whoever it is that sells camping accessories sells 'em).  Check one out for a model then make a bigger one.  On the velcro front, you could stick one side on the bottom of your cooker (it don't take much, especially if it's the coarse industrial stuff), and the other part on the underside of one of your cabin sole inspection boards.  When you want to use the stove, turn the inspection board over and stick your stove on it, then it's not so likely to slide around or get punted too far.  When you're done, turn the board over again and the velcro disappears.  The same could be done with a settee access board.  It may be a goofy idea, but at least it's an idea, and it may help someone with limited space and funds.

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(32 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Hi Shannon,

I'm glad to see you're still aboard - I've read some of your last postings and hope things are working out in some agreeable way.  You are right about keeping fuel on board and the cannisters full - all appliances work better with fuel!  A few times I've let the cannister run so low as to start to burn stuffing but that was when I used the Origo heater unit, and that was in my cabin in the winter when the heater ran a lot.  I guess my point there was for those who wish to use stoves as heaters or use the heater model for heating - these things will give you a STINK WARNING before they get too hot to manage.  Your point is very valid though - watch the time and check the burner now and again, something I obviously let slip once or twice (oops).

As for the gimbals - thanks for the lead.  Right now I am always at anchor for the night, or in the marina, but when I graduate to long-haul sailing I'll be looking for the gimbals.  The first owner of my boat chucked the original Force 10 unit and put the Origo on it.  The gimbal mounts from the Force 10 are still there though, and I'd be curious to know if the Origo gimbals will hang in the F.10 mounts (I think someone else in some other post may have touched on that...).  Can you answer that one?  I added the velcro to the equasion to keep the stove stationary while sailing and it works well.  Again, it might be an idea for those thinking of using the heater/cooker units that can't be gimaballed - you can shtick it in place well with velcro and un-shtick when you want to store the unit out of the way.

Thanks for the greeting, I'm glad to have had a chance to exchange ideas with you.

Deb

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(13 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

Hi Bilgeret,

I know someone who is looking to offload a storm jib from a CS 27 that might be suitable for the Contessa.  If you'd like I could take a look at it when I get the chance and let you know its condition.  I don't know if the sail is suitable for a CO, you'd have to find one out there to look at.  I could try it on my boat, but you'd have to trust my opinion - yikes!  You're right, sail choices are very subjective, but by reading the entries under the topic "How old are your sails" and the entries here, other CO owners have ditched the original 150% and have moved to either a smaller hanked-on headsail compliment, or gone to roller furling.  The only reason I inquired about the general-purpose jib as an option is because I've never used one - always genoa cut sails in fairly close size increments.  I am happy with my 130% and my 100% so I will try leaving the big 150% behind when I feel the need for space and simplicity.  I will also keep my storm jib.  I've had Virago out on a couple of outings already where the #3 was at its limit and the boat didn't really seem to mind, so the storm jib may be a good option to keep open.

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(6 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Wow, this web site is a great sourse of ideas for the new Contessa owner!  My '85 model came with the original table - the one mounted on a steel post and that folds down to latch on the stbd bunk edge.  In the interest of improving sleeping arrangements for myself, and my partner when aboard, I'd like to remove this table and make a board that would serve two purposes: 1) a board to go between the quarter berths to widen out that area (we are not small, narrow people!).  2) a table when needed.  I noticed on pictures of Adrian's (formerly Adrian's) boat that he had a stowable table but the photos don't show how it's mounted.  Before I re-invent the wheel, has anyone else created such a dual purpose item, and if so, how'd ya do it?

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(8 replies, posted in Technical)

I recently bought a shop manual of sorts for my DV8 from a guy in Kingston, Ontario who specializes in Bukh engines.  I don't have his phone number handy, but the business is called Crinmar.  The guy is very helpful and knowlegable, ships parts if need be, and sells manuals.  This manual, combined with the original owner's manual, has been useful.

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(13 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

The Alber 29 is also in my pantheon of divine boats - an logical and beautiful progression from the Contessa.

Yep, a sail or two could go in the lazarette but not until I get the dampness problem fixed!  I can store all the sails I have, although when I have to store my man too it can get a bit cramped (put man in lazarette?).  If I get involved with other discussions in this forum you'll see that I appreciate elegant simplicity and have minimalist tendancies.  The question that I started out with is: can I accomplish as much with two sails - #1 and jib - as I can with the three (four with storm jib) that I pack now.  Partly it's me pursuing "enough", not more than enough.

Your comments agree with my observations so far:  That the #1, by percentage of hoisted sail time, is not a crucial sail.  I am pleased with how little sail the boat needs to move, especially given her wetted surface and weight.  Thanks for the insight.

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(13 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

Hi Adrian,

Wow, quick response time!  I guess I should have mentioned that I am not keen on furlers.  I had one on a previous boat and was underwhelmed by it for several reasons.  The primary reason came when it failed to furl up one day, which is terribly inconvenient when one is alone in a blow!  Yes, I do have a 130% #2 genny that seems to work pretty well in all but the lightest winds and has sufficient power for working through a lumpy sea state when combined with a reefed main. I guess I was wondering if the working jib was meant to be carried in the same wind ranges as the #3 and 2 - is it too big for the 20 knot wind speed range?  Would it draw in, say, the 7 to 10 kn. range?  I've always sailed on racer/cruiser boats with multiple headsails and am not familiar with the use of a cruiser's working jib.  One thought is to simply leave the #1 ashore when I have overnight company aboard.

Sorry everyone, I'm still learning how this site works...My question ended up opposite the "Sail Comparison" topic posted by Christopher.  The short version is:  Is one working jib a reasonable substitute for the three headsails I carry now?

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My lately aquired JJT Contessa came with Raudachal sails and they are in good shape (thankfully!).  From what I can gather the Contessa in Canada came with a working jib and a 150% Genoa - it this correct?  Mine came with no. 1, 2 and 3 genoas ranging from 150% to 100%.  I find it's rather alot of sail to stuff in a small boat when cruising and would be interested to hear comments about the performance of the boat under jib vs. smaller genoas.  I am considering dumping one or more gennys and picking up a jib if it makes sense to do so simply to get rid of some bagged cloth!  The #1 is pretty darn big but can be useful in the summery light airs of the Great Lakes.  She seems to move well under the #2 in anything above a zephyr and so far it seems to be the proverbial workhorse of a sail.  However, the #3 has been a peach in heavy winds and seems to work well in winds well below what I am guessing would be it's theoretical bottom limit.  In short, I have a fair bit of overlap in the middle wind speed ranges and wonder if the jib would give me as much usable variety with fewer sails.  Oh yes, I have a storm jib too, but it has yet come out of its bag.

Let the opinions come!

Deb

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(1 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Hi all,

I'm new here so I shall introduce myself.  My name is Deb and last fall I purchased a 1985 JJT, hull number 326.  She was originally named Hard Tack, and that was her only name under her only owners until I bought her last August.  She is now named Virago.  She resides in Lion's Head, Ontario, on the east shore of the Bruce Peninsula and we play in Georgian Bay.

It took me about 7 years of patient waiting for the nautical astrology of the right Contessa, in good condition, at a reasonable price to come into alignment and I must say it was worth it.  I've sailed a wide variety of boats over 30 years and this is my first crack at a full keel, heavy displacement boat and she is proving to be, as you all know, a sweet sailing companion.  I single-hand most of the time and Virago and I rarely argue, and when we do she is usually right.

Sailing is my passion and I am happy to find this cyber-place to gather with other people who share our wet and windy world.

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(32 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Hi all,

This is my first posting on the Contessa site, here goes...I have an Origo 2 burner alcohol stove in my 85 JJT but it's not on gimbals.  It is stuck, very firmly I might add, to the bottom of the stove alcove on the stbd side with industrial velcro-type stuff.  The alcove is lined with stainless steel and I'm not sure if that's original to the boat or added by the previous (and only) owners.  Two points to make here - the stove is down low away from the overhead components of the boat, and surrounded by a non-flammable, not meltable material so the risks of radiant heat are minimized.  It certainly won't get up and run around.  Other than not being able to cook while underway it's a good set-up.

I also have one of the Origo heater/cookers that I used in a small cabin on my land before I built my house.  It worked great in that application, although I did not run it at night while sleeping.  I used it for cooking and heating and was happy with it in both capacities.

As for the Origos going for an uncontrolled burn, I've never heard of that but that's what forums are for.  One thing I have noticed is that when the alcohol is gone and you are starting to burn the filling it gives very little heat (starved for fuel) and gives off a faint (at first) but very acrid smell.  When I smell the scent of burning stuffing I shut down the burner and let it cool.  One last note: a big advantage to alcolhol as a fuel is that it responds well to fire fighting with water or dry chemical and is easily extinguished.

Happy cooking!