7 years later...

I am replacing the supply side of my fuel system. I decided to go with 3/8" fuel supply lines because the new Racor filter accepts 3/8" hoses.  I'm not sure how I'll connect fuel filter to engine... it might be 3/16 or 1/4"...  We'll see.

My return line is also 1/4"... I'm hoping I can make a 3/8" line fit for that purpose too.

fwiw, when I contacted Farymann ... they basically told me they shutdown their factory and wouldn't give me the specs on the fuel spigot size (both at the fuel pump and the fuel return).

For what it's worth, here's a supplier of proper Marine Fuel hose here in Canada.  FWIW, they only have 1/4" and up.  For future reference, you're looking for Type A1 Fuel Feed hose for both the feed and return because it has better fire resistance and is rated for continual fuel in the hose... type B1 shouldn't be used in the engine compartment.

https://hoseandfittingsonline.com/index … arch=g611a

Hi Brian,
I have hove to for lunch breaks and the Contessa handles that just fine.

In the one major storm I was in where we SHOULD have hove to, we actually ran for it...  About 105nm in 15' waves and, somewhere between 40 and 55 knots of wind.  We blew apart two snatch blocks rated at 2,000lbs, and it pulled the pin stops through the aluminum traveler.  We ran downwind for 18 hours, while at some point our boat speed hit 15.6 knots SOG in a truly unpleasant sail.

Looking back, we probably should have been hove to until Lake Erie settled down.  It would have been safer, more comfortable and resulted in less damage.

JH.

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Well... I just got some fragmented news when I contacted Farymann.  I contacted them to find some information about the K34 engine and received a one line reply telling me they had no technical information for the K34 engine.  Seeing as it is the same as the 15w I posed the question again for the 15w engine.  They, again, told me they had no technical information for the 15w engine they sell!

I asked to be put in touch with someone who sells the 15w engine...  and the info person gave me a one-line reply with some finality to it, "Engines are out of production and Farymann factory has closed for good."

I am trying to find any sort of news since the web sites in Germany and the US are still operational.

I know many of us still have the reliable Farymann's in our boats.  If you need any spares, replacements or what not... now is the time (or maybe even past the time) to go and buy them.  Stock up if/when you can I guess.

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I would not attempt to put it outboard, high and aft... that has a number of problems to it.  Keeping the weight central and low is much better.

By the time you have davits, tackle and the boat suspending, you are really leveraging a lot of weight back there.  Think of it like a teeter-totter...
(Also, if you have a few adults in the cockpit, I'd be curious to see how far out of the water your cockpit drains are once you add that weight back there.)

Beautiful boat.  Welcome.

Hi Scott,
Yes...  it did.  We were quite active for a while.  We met up several times for sails, beers and even a dinner with Tania Aebi when she was here at the boat show.

The last couple years have been quiet as I had a baby and haven't sailed much at all.  I know John sold his boat and he was one of the real drivers for the group.  But Oliver, and I and several others are still around.  Contact me by email or PM and we'll get you on the mailing list... if I can find it.

Hmmm... what is your budget?

I have a personal dislike for outboard engines, particularly on our boats as you just don't get the shaft long enough to get down into the water when you're in heavy waves (often when you need the engine the most is in bad weather or choppy waves entering a harbour)

You can get new replacement Farymann's from the USA, as well as other similar engines here for not a huge amount.  (Maybe check Entec West as they might have used ones from their generators?)

If you're hardcore, there are boats like Bika where they removed the engine entirely.  I wonder if their blog is still online?  You can reach out to them to see how they did it.

I would avoid doing an electric motor in our boats as the weight for the batteries will be much greater than the engine that it replaces.... unless you go lithium, but that will be far more expensive than a new tiny diesel.

This won't apply to you, but for others' reference, my 1983 JJ Taylor 26  as a fibreglass tank under the v-berth; Primarily on the starboard side, it goes up and across to port.  It is awkward, difficult to clean, and a poor placement for heavy tankage.  I'd love to cut it out and replace it with something, but it is a complex shape and I suspect cutting under the v-berth would lose some lateral strength...

I have not replaced it and we normally keep it dry unless doing a very long trip.

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Better late than never.  I ended up taking the shrouds off at the end of the year and having them replaced last winter.
The says, on the other hand, had been previously replaced with a larger gauge and swaged in place... so I can't remove them without cutting them!  Ugh.

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Hi Dave,
It depends on where you will be anchoring I suppose.
Lake Ontario with few things to hit and few hard bottoms vs Northern Georgian Bay with lots of rock?

Mine has a nice shiny Bruce anchor up front... never used in vain.
When we did our big trip around Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, Lake Erie and back home, the galvanized Danforth anchor was all we used.  I have 40' of chain followed by 200' of 3strand rode.  I haven't had to anchor in deep water or in unprotected water so... it is more than sufficient.

Both Bruce and Danforth anchors came with my boat.  If I were to replace them, I'd buy a new generation anchor. Rocna, Manson or Mantus without hesitation.

FWIW, when you put your feet down into the v-berth, it's not much better... you still bang your knees on the cabin top.
The Contessa is not a boat with lots of cabin room... as they say, "It was built for safe sailing, not for safe sex."  Being in a tight seaberth is a good thing I suppose.

*** Please note, it has a cradle, not a trailer.  I misread your post and I was thinking you HAD a trailer, coming up here for pickup.

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omg.  lol, we should have talked.

I, too, am replacing my tank this spring.  Over the winter, I designed a custom tank and had it fabricated.
Origional tank, 46L, steel (rusty), with no inspection hatch.
New tank, ... 30L (?) I forget what I settled on. Aluminium. It is a vertical tank to allow for motorsailing while heeled.  It has a gauge, inspection hatch, breather, deck-fill as well as pickup.

Look at this beautiful work from the guys at Boyds Welding.
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Hi Femke,

You sound like you may not be from North America;  Are you talking about the Jeremy Rogers Contessa or the JJ Taylor?
My JJ Taylor Contessa has a forward V-berth that is the same size as a queen bed across the shoulders, so for a single person, it should be quite roomy.  Where yours is split between a port and starboard berth, we have a removable plank with cushion that we can put in that space to make one space.

I have heard of some others that have built a similar platform in the center of the boat... essentially turning the walking space in the main cabin into a uniform platform bed... to me, this doesn't make sense unless you are long-distance cruising.

From a comfort perspective, the v-berth is fine in well-protected anchorages or at dock, but if the waves get up, then you're riding a pony.  Ugh.  My preference is the tighter (but longer) space in the main saloon.  "Wide sleeper" doesn't generally coincide with Contessa terminology!  Good luck.

As for the water-tank... Mine, too, is stored under the v-berth.  This is inconveniently placed both for maintenance and for carrying weight.  Ugh.  When full, it keeps weight in the bow for now good reason.  We leave ours dry unless we really need it for voyaging.  Ours has an inspection hatch in the top... but little good it does me as I can't reach in far enough to do much.  Random long instruments and acrobatics let me reach in and try to clean as much as we can.  At the end of the day, I bleached the hell out of it, replaced the hoses and called it "good enough" for washing hands and dishes but not for drinking.  I *could* cut out the tank... but I still don't want weight up there while I'm sailing.  My view is that you're better off with some big jugs of potable water.

I have heard of bladders that *could* go into the space, but you reduce quite a bit of tankage.  You see, the water tanks actually span the entire bow.  You can't reach them, or see them, but it is definitely a cavity filled with water. up there.  When you put the bladder in, you would only fill the cavity on the starboard side and no the rest... off-balance, weight in the bow. ugh.

I'm sorry I didn't see this sooner.
If you're still around Ontario, let me know.  jordan@omato.com

My Contessa meets your needs I would think.  I was on again, off again, about whether I would sell her.  Planned to keep her for 2017 but, hey, if you're interested.
1983 #312, hull's in great shape.
Engine is original Farymann 7hp diesel.  Was overhauled just before I bought her in 2010, but she is an old girl never the less.
Sails are new... hmmm, going to save some time and cut/paste an e-mail I wrote last year when someone asked the same question...

*****
My boat was built in 1983 and was at the 1984 boat show... potentially the boat that Tania Aebi viewed when she decided to go around the world.  It has been owned by up to 4 owners, as far as I am aware and has lived mostly around the Great Lakes (Kincardine, Bayfield and now here in Toronto... who knows where else!).  It is well equipped with some items you don't normally find on a boat of this size but first some of the basics.

My wife and I had a baby last year and I've been working so much that I was only able to sail the boat twice last year.  I am sadly thinking of selling it until my daughter is old enough to sail safely with us.  It simply costs too much to keep a boat and not sail it so if I sell it, that's good.  If not, I will love it through 2016.

I haven't put together the a proper listing so let me toss out the below information from memory.

Red hull, cream white top sides.  (And now unnamed as I removed the old VIXEN name from her hull last year)

Main Sails:
- Brand new main bought for the 2014 season.  North Sails, Triradial "Radian". The best you can get without going to laminate.  It is loose footed.
- "New-ish". Main... this is a backup main that I bought used from another Contessa owner.  I have never flown it.
- Main.  Very old, baggy terrible thing.  Not loose footed.
- Blue sunbrella sail cover.
* All mains with 2 deep reef points.

Fore sails:
(On SnapFurl furler)
- Brand new 130% jib bought for the 2014 season.  North Sails, Triradial "Radian".  (Includes UV protected sides)
- 100% jib.  This is old and baggy but suits the boat well for heavy weather
- 155%+ Genoa.  This is an older, very heavy genoa.  I used it for 2 years but it is not well suited for the boat.
- Additional sunbrella protective jib sock for sails without UV protection
* I may still have an old jib around but it is not cut for the furler.

Flying sails
- Spinnaker cut for the boat with sail numbers... I have never used it because the mast head does not have a proper spinnaker hailyard block.
- Asymmetrical drifter/spinnaker.... this sail is not for my boat, but it is awesome for long days down wind.  We've used it a lot.

Please note: The brand new sails were over $4,000 in fall 2013 and have only been used for my a few days in 2014 and exactly twice in 2015.  They are awesome and crispy!

Custom traveller built that works extremely well.  The traveller structure came with the boat so I don't know who designed it, but I put on a nice Harken system which works very well.
Aries Wind Vane.  It's old, but works very well.  I constantly have offers from people who want to buy it but it is worth it's weight in gold.
2015, New clutches on deck.

Rigging and lines
Standing rigging replaced by the previous owner in 2006.

All lines ran back to the cockpit... except reefing and outhauls.
The boat has a 5:1 main sheet, which is overkill.
I have purchased a new 4:1 main sheet system for 2016... not even installed yet.
New spinnaker sheets (used 2-3 times); I forget the brand but they are very very nice.
New jib sheets;  Bought 2015, never used.
Traveler control lines; New in 2011.
3 Halyards (Jib, Main, Drifter) + Topping lift.  Yacht braid in working condition.
Furler line.  Yacht braid in working condition.
* I have spare halyards as well as heavy and backup jib sheets.
Various new blocks around the boat.  Traveler in 2012, large jib blocks in 2012, new main set 2016
Chrome Bruce Anchor on a roller at the bow.
Working Danforth anchor.
40'+ of heavy chain + 200'+ braided anchor line.
Very large radar reflector... I suggest not clanging this around your rigging but it is available.
Previous owner upgraded gauge of the stays.
Swim ladder is attached and works well for both swimming and entering a dinghy.  (Used all over the Great Lakes by us!)
Electronics
JRC 16mile Radar.  Yes... radar.
Various radios...  I believe it is an iCOM fixed set, iCOM handheld.   (I do have a Stanard Horizons handheld, but I may not sell that with the boat)
*** Instruments...  Technically there is wind, speed and depth.  I spent $1500+ to replace the computer in 2012, but I think the system should be replaced entirely so I don't count this as value in the price.
Spare depth finder.  This is a standalone system that came with the boat and I never installed it as it's a cheapo brand.
Battery charger good for two batteries.
Replaced 30A Shore Power;  Added a proper electrical panel for AC.
Original DC panels.
Halogen lights
+1 red LED chart light
I use handheld GPS.  I have 2... Garmin GPS76 and another Garmin as a backup.
Miscellaneous comforts.
Single-burner, gimbled, alcohol stove.  Origo 1500 if memory services.  This has served us well.
Marine head.  Pump replaced 2011.
V-birth and salon cushions are fairly old but serviceable.
Cockpit cushions were made in 2011.  They are blue sunbrella, closed cell foam that we had custom made by Genco Marine
Dodger is fairly old but serviceable.
(optional) Dinghy with oars.  Suitable for a 2 people.  Can mount a small motor... but I suggest rowing.
Various good quality but well worn fenders.
Electric heater (plug-in)
Various buckets, brushes, cleaners etc.
Here are a few videos and pictures.  Keep in mind, these span the 6 years I've owned the boat so there are likely changes to what you see.
2011: Our first trip in the new boat: http://www.jordanharkness.ca/sail/2011/05/

Launch 2015: https://youtu.be/ASllMfNtAI8
A side view 2015: https://youtu.be/sMoLV1NXRzo
Haulout 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqCCUWKrmAQ


2013: Coming home from Grimsby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDXABz6TjWA
2013: slightly upwind from Grimsby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQDrB_uO_w
2012: with our old, crappy sails:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3HDwDy8TSM
2012: Wing & Wing with our old gear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbnfe-wV9Y4
2012: From Port Dalhousie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6OdU7NS-Is


I have not had a chance to put a value on the boat yet so I'm open to offers but will need to look at the market place to see what it's worth.
At any rate, I'm happy to chat any time via e-mail or phone.  It's a mess over the winter, but you're welcome to schedule some time to come take a look.

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I'm not sure if "huge" liability is the correct assumption... after all, an 18 year old girl managed to sail one of them around the world without killing herself.  I've never heard of anyone being 'pooped' to the point of destruction.  After 50 years, you'd think we'd hear about it?

The headroom issue, yes, I managed to get around that one.  My Contessa has plenty of headroom for even folks taller than you.  Merely step up out of the companion way into the cockpit and you've got all the headroom you desire!  big_smile

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Looks to me like there is a simple base plate, that the mast is sitting on.  Picture a plate with two sides, making the mast kind of like a hinge while stepping the mast.

The shrouds just look like the have some chafe protection around them to reduce abrasion on the sail when tacking.

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To save me going down to measure, does anyone know roughly what the gauge of shrouds and stays we have on the boats?

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I think there are quite a few different types of forward hatches... both original and replacements.  It might be a better idea if you can show us a picture of what you've got.  I'm fairly certain that you'll need to fashion something that will work for you.

I went down to the boat on Thursday and took a picture of a secondary location where the hull number can be found.
On the stern, high on the starboard side, just under the teak is another plate that contains the serial number.

A picture says a thousand words:

http://unguardedsleep.com/photos/misc/I … 550193.jpg

Excellent!  Glad to hear it.

One note about the Farymann... I asked for a price for an entire replacement; they wouldn't sell me one for Marine use until I told them I lived in Canada.  Apparently the EPA won't let the engine be sold for that use in the USA.  Might bear that in mind if anyone is buying a replacement 18W.

Regards,
Nomad.

The boats were powered with Farymann K34's which are pretty much the same as the current models today.

When I first took ownership of my boat, the previous owner had rebuilt the engine and both he, then I, had quite a bit of help from Entec West.  In talking to the mechanic that owns it, he has more experience with the K34 than even Farymann USA themselves (since it was bought/sold/transferred whatever so many times).

Check him out here, give him a call.
http://www.entecwest.com/

I don't trust the data on Farymann's website.  It has lead me astray in the past.

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And4ew, I had my JJ Taylor Contessa 26 "weighed" on haul-out last year... the crane operator claimed it was 5,000 lbs...  That is with all the stuff, minus the mast+shrouds+stays.

Honestly, there are Contessa's sailing around the world with 1 or 2 people on them and all their food, water, gear for a circumnavigation.  Unless you are taking it to THAT extreme, then I wouldn't worry.

More importantly is *where* the weight is stored.  Keep the weight out of the bow.  I find the Contessa tender, compared to modern boats, and therefore port/starboard balancing is a good idea as well.  i.e.  Don't put all your tools on starboard and all your pillows on port.

Regards,
J.

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* correction.  After looking up the part number, it's actually 1 9/16"