Dear Underdog,

You may never come back to this site to see this, but then again, you might....You might consider looking for a Continental 25.  They are a fibreglass version of a Folkboat hull (which is the boat the Contessa is patterned after) but it has a step in the coach roof that allows standing headroom.  They were build in Whitby Ont. in the '60s.  I believe the hulls were built well, but the finish inside was kind of rough (no liner, mat visible etc.)  They can be bought very cheaply as they have a dated look, but if you don't mind that you can get the benefits of a Folkboat type hull but more interior space.  I sailed one for an afternoon on Lake Simcoe a few years ago and found it behaved well.  I know where there is one for sale on a trailer in front of someone's house if you are interested.

I was thinking of coming down for the boat show this year too, first time in a long time.  I'd be game to meet with folks if a gathering happens.  Going home for two weeks now, but will follow the plans when I get back if they are posted here.  Any thoughts about working out accomodations for those of us who would over-night it?

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(9 replies, posted in Technical)

This discussion makes me yearn for the days of olde when we had moorings...

I've only had a season and bit with Virago so far, so I too am learning just how much fun backing up a Contessa can be...but here's what I've found works so far for getting out of my slip (I mean getting the boat out of her slip!).  It involves using the wind, and a bit of the old heave-ho as Jim R. described.  I don't think it matters what side of the dock you use with this technique, although I suspect being port side to (as Virago is) helps because of the prop walk.  Ok, here goes....

Lets assume that all slips accessable by foot are attached to the land at one end, we'll call this end the "shore", and that the other end is open to seaward and we'll call this end "seaward".  This is written by a single-hander so there is no reference to crew.  Crew is handy but not a given.  What is a given is that these boats weathercock somewhat, that means that any wind that's blowing will move the bow downwind relative to the stern.

First scenario - wind is blowing from shore to seaward.  Walk the boat out of the slip as far as possible, hop on and use reverse enough to get the boat clear of the slip and neighbouring boats.  At this point you don't have to get the stern anywhere in particular,  all you are doing is trying to get the bow clear of obstacles so it can swing down wind and point to seaward.  Obviously the more room the better and if she's behaving back up as far as you can, but as long as the bow has room to swing clear you're ok.  Once clear of the slip, put the engine in neutral and let the boat naturally weathercock in the direction you want it to go.  It seems that sometimes the best thing to do is to remove the disruptive forces of the reversing prop. and rudder as soon as possible and let the boat sort itself out for a minute, then use the more effective forward forces when she starts to come around.  This is also my preferred technique if the wind is blowing from the stern (blowing the boat into the slip) as the weathercock effect will help the boat back up straighter so I can go back farther for more swing room.

Second scenario - wind is blowing from seaward to shore.  This has the potential to be way more embarassing.  Again, the trick is to get enough room to let the boat do what it wants to do naturally, which means the bow will swing down wind.  Get the boat out of the slip as above, but now the bow wants to swing towards shore.  Usually the boat will want to reverse hard in one direction or the other, usually to port because of the prop walk.  Let it.  Keep the stern coming around hard until it is facing the row of slips you just left- what you are trying to do is gain swinging room for the bow.  Once you are facing stern-to-stern with your neighbours a few boats down, use the engine in forward to initiate the turn out to sea.  This is also my preferred technique for when the wind is blowing on the bow when in the slip because the bow will fall off one way or the other as I am trying to back out anyway, so I just let it happen and back all the way around to get room to manoever the bow.   This is also the technique I use to recover when I farkle things up using the first technique...

This may sound like I have everything under control, which would be a lie.

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(6 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Hi Peter,

Me again.  It occurred to me that you may have a venting problem.  Have you verified that the vent over your galley area is drawing properly and not obstructed somehow?  Have you tried leaving window or deck hatches open at least slightly to get some cross ventilation when the stove is operating?

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(6 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

I use methyl hydrate (a.k.a. denatured alcohol, or wood alcohol) from my local hardware store.  Burns well and I don't get a foul odour from it.  A 4 litre jug is about $11.00.  Does the stuffing under the grating look charred?  Mine looks a bit discoloured with a brownish black, but it doesn't look burnt.  I have a two burner Origo in my boat and a Heat Pal heater/cooker units in my land cabin, which I have used plenty, and I've never had a problem like the one you describe.

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(2 replies, posted in For Sale)

Hi Kristin,

I would, but lazyjacks are just lots of line and a couple of small blocks, and some folks even skip the blocks - they wouldn't be worth the shipping costs.  Besides, I've already used the line for other projects, one of which is the retrieval line for when I send my beer to the deeps in an mesh bag to cool off - the longer the line the colder the beer!  If you need help to rig some on your boat (lazyjacks I mean, not a beer line) just post the question as a new topic and I know you'll get a zillion replies.  Or if you want to e-mail me directly (I think you can do that via this website somehow) I can walk you through it.

Some wires in my boat also run along inside the settee lockers but they are protected by plywood "false bottoms" that the previous owners installed.  They put in lengths of plywood that are raised about two inches or so along the inboard edge thus accomplishing three things: it makes a level area on which to put my storage bins (as long as the boat's level...), it keeps stuff out of the wires, and it keeps stuff out of any condensation that might pool in there.  It works well.

Virtually all boats with a deck stepped mast have wires coming through the cabin roof to feed the steaming light, mast head light, radio antenna etc., that's not specific to the Contessa.  One thing I do to keep the wires neat and out of the way is tape any slack in the wire to the mast, that way I am not likely to catch it with my toe when at the mast and yank one out, or have the genoa sheets do it for me.

As for the rest of it, as you said; all boats are a compromise.   Browse around this forum (hint: read all the entries for a topic, not just the last entries), and you'll get all kinds of ideas about how to trim your Contessa in a way that suits you.  For example, Varuna has her batteries under the companion way steps, and there was a discussion about the possible use of soft fuel tanks, and one about moving head holding tanks.  And pretty well every boat known to man, regardless of the boat, gets tweeked by each owner to suit themselves - that's part of the fun of having a boat.

For the size and design of the boat (low volume, heavy displacement) the Contessa has a lot crammed in it and it's done in a workable way.  If you want to compare apples and oranges, compare the Contessa 26 with a CS 27.  For one foot more length you get twice the interior space, standing headroom, and a good, seaworthy boat that's also a fair bit dryer.  But you'll also gain pounding in rough seas, a lot more windage, a boat that will not keep a course nearly so well, greater risk of broaching... Only time spent in boats will tell you what you want or don't want in a boat.

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(11 replies, posted in Cruising)

Interesting statistics about Lake Superior for anyone who wants to go there...I just went net surfing to to see if there were numbers to correspond to my experience of Superior (we took a good shit-kicking), and lo, there they were.  The peak wave height in Lake Superior East is just over 4 meters in Sept. then jumps to 6.5m in Oct, then soars to a whopping 10.5m in November.  So yes, get off the lake before October.  For our non-metric readers, there's about 3.4 feet to a meter.

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(11 replies, posted in Cruising)

re-reading what I just wrote, I'll modify it by saying that good weather can persist into late Sept. or even early October, although I have been on the same ship in a nasty snow storm up there in mid-Oct.  The later you go, the harder it is to get  enough days of benign weather in a row to get from one safe place to another.

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(11 replies, posted in Cruising)

A few comments for you if you have made the choice to go north and west via Lake Superior.  There are no such things as sea dragons (or so I'm told), and people do sail on Lake Superior, but some warnings are worth while even to ocean sailors.

We have a storm season here on the Great Lakes too.  The weather gets noticably more changeable, both in the speed at which fronts come through, and the severity of the changes, starting in mid-September and getting worse from there on in.  October is getting cold and rough, and November is what we call the gale season - after that ice along the shore becomes a problem.  You'll want to be at Thunder Bay by mid-Sept.  I've come across Lake Superior in an autumn gale in a 650 ton ice breaker and had a snotty ride, and a Contessa could have had a desperate time of it.

I know you folks sail in the North Atlantic, and you'll have plenty of miles under your keel by the time you get to the Great Lakes, but this is a different environment than the ocean (not to say better or worse, just different).  The problems here are the increasing speed at which weather systems move through the area late in the season, and the way that weather systems happen to collide over the lakes.  Fall storms sometimes don't give much warning and Superior can see waves in excess of 20 ft. high due to the strenght of the winds, but because the fetch is so short (compared to the ocean) the waves build unbelievably quickly and never get to lengthen out.  You end up with tall, steep waves on a short period (frequency).  They could be very difficult to ride out if you are caught out. 

One thing I've observed is that, for the area where I live (Georgian Bay), I can get a good idea of what's coming in the weather by listening to the weather observations for the areas west of me because most of our weather tracks west to east.  For example, what's happening in eatern Lake Superior and Whitefish Bay will usually find me about two days later.  For Lake Superior try monitoring conditions in Lake Winnipeg to get a heads up on what you might see in the near future.  The real weather bombs happen when a warm wet system comes up from the Gulf of Mexico and crashes into an arctic air mass moving in from the west, and they seem to do that now and again directly over Lake Superior for some reason.  Locally the MAFOR forecasts are usually pretty good but the broadcasts always include the disclaimer "winds and waves may vary considerably due to shoreline effects".

Other than that, you'll see some gorgeous cruising grounds especially if you get into the area known as the North Channel in northern Lake Huron.  Superior is majestic, perhaps partly because of its unpredictable strength.

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(2 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

too cool!  these here new-fangled computer thingys never cease to amaze me.  Thanks Pogo for putting the illustrations to my attempt at instructions.

Instructions for how to make a rope stopper to keep your hanks from getting caught on the forestay turnbuckle are now posted under the posting by Jimco48.

Ok Jose, this one's for you...I don't have the technology nor the know-how to post pictures, so here's the instructions on how to make a rope stopper for your hanks.  It took me a while to figure out how to explain this.

The short version:  Make several layers of west country whipping until you get a thickness suitable to make a stopper.

The long version:  How to do west country whipping.  To do WC whipping you have to be able to do a simple overhand knot - that's half a reef knot, or the over-and-under thing you do before the bow when you tie your shoes.  Take about a foot of very light line or rather heavy string, start in the middle with even lengths on either side.  Tie an overhand knot on one side of the wire where it meets the turnbuckle.  Now, pass the ends of the line around to the other side of the wire and tie another overhand knot above the first bit of line.  Keep doing that, one side then the other, pulling the knots snug and firming them down on the one below - that's west country whipping.  Keep going for, say, six or 8 passes, or more if you want to be extravagant.  As whipping, once you got enough passes on the rope you were finishing you would tie off the last course with a reef knot or two, then singe the ends of the whipping twine.  For this job, however, what you'll do is start working down over the whipping you've just done and make it two layers thick.  Once you get to the bottom, turn and go up again for three layers.  Do this until you have enough to stop your hanks or until you run out of string.  Just to make it look mildly spiffy, I made each pass a few courses shorter than the last so that the work bulged slightly in the middle.  It sounds very yachty, but really it's just a pile of knots.  As the late canoe guru Bill Mason once wrote: if you don't know knots, tie lots.

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(0 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

I've posted a message under "For Sale" re: possible main sail swap - my full battened Raudaschl for a short battened main of any reputable make.  Go there for the details...

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(2 replies, posted in For Sale)

I'm sort of thinking lightly about trying to swap my main for one I'd like better.  Mine is a Raudaschl main, original to the boat in '85 but still in pretty good shape.  It was modified for full battens and is that way now, and it has two rows of reefing in it.  It still has a good few years left in it by my estimate.  What I'd like (or what I think I'd like) is a slightly smaller main with regular short battens in it - old school, I know... I find the Raudaschl main pretty big - it's quite roachy - and it spends a fair bit of time reefed or backwinded because the main is dumped off to spill wind.  And I am not keen on the full battens without lazyjacks (I removed my lazyjacks).  Anyone out there with a low-tech, short battened main in good shape they'd like to swap?  It doesn't have to be a permanent trade if someone wants to try on a full battend main to see if they like it.

Idle tire-kickers welcome to reply because that's about where I am at  - just thinking about it...

Thanks, but it's not THAT pretty!  If a picture is worth a thousand words, that would be a waste of about 999 of them.

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(3 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

My boat will be on the hard just after Christmas too, about as hard as all the water for as far as I can see!  Happy sailing you with the soft water in December!

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(1 replies, posted in For Sale)

Update - the sail is $300.00 Canadian.

I had the same problem and came up with a dirt simple solution that looks pretty good too.  All I did was take a piece of light line and tied a large decorative knot at the junction of the wire and the turnbuckle.  Actually I used a style of whipping, but the net result is a small doughnut of string in the required spot - it works, it's cheap and it looks "sailorly".

Hi Bill,

Any idea if they fit the footprint of the original clutches on the later JJT boats?  If so, I might be interested.

I have an '85 JJT, I am 5'9" tall, and I can stand up comfortably only under the deck hump by the companionway.  I have room enough to stand and do up my pants, or pull on/off my rain suit.  On the other hand, the mid-ships hatch found in the later boats is a great place to make like a prairie dog.  The hatch is close enough to the galley area that I can stand while cooking if the hatch is open.  While moving about in the main salon I have to duck, but I don't have to actually bend over until I go past the galley heading forward.  That's the optimists take - ask my gentleman friend who is 6'4" what he thinks and you'd get a different opinion...

Ha! That is just so true!  Any you should hear me for real!  Thanks for finding the one wandering in the desert.

After all that, never mind!  I got the measurements from a local boat whose owner showed up.

If you come to this message, please read the one above it because this is a continuation of that....

So I found a nice little bit of mahogany (in the scrap bin!) that I think will let me build an even better piece than the one I originally planned.  What I'm trying to do is fill in the trim on the Stbd. settee along where the original table mounts (this won't make sense if your Contessa didn't come with the pedestal mount table....), so if you can measure the heigh and width of the trim, and the gap from the end of the trim to the forward end of that bunk I can make the piece I need.  I know this is a lot to ask but I am stuck here and can't get to my boat, but when I get home I won't have access to these tools and this workshop either!

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(9 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

oh ya, you asked where they could be got...I saw them most in the '80s on racing boats like Kirbys and J24s etc.  They were made by sail makers like Ulmer Kolius (UK Sails now), Hood - lofts that made racing sails.  If they don't make them any more, try badgering someone with one of those boats to see if they have one they want to be rid of.