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(5 replies, posted in Technical)

Good day!

I was thinking about installing cleats amidships on my Contessa.  The customary way is to use a chock on the rail and then a cleat inboard on the deck.  However, with the Contessa being so low in the water it seems to me that the line would never stay in the chock. 

Any thoughts on this?

The solution I am considering is to fit a teak block hard up against the toerail amidship.  Then remove a few inches at the end of the traveller track.  Two of the feet of the cleat will then sit where the traveller used to be and the other two feet will sit on the teak block and be through-bolted to the deck (I hope I have some long bolts!). 

Securing to a cleat in this position eliminates the need for the chocks and gives a clear lines of pull (that is, little chance of mooring lines fouling shrouds or lifeline stanchions.)  This solution also helps to keep an already narrow deck relatively clear of obstacles.

My concern is that, with the cleat mounted relatively high, I will be constantly fouling the jib sheets.

I am looking for feedback and to tread in the footsteps of those brave souls here whom have gone before me...

Thanks in advance.

Christopher

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(10 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

My iPhone does remarkably well.

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(0 replies, posted in Technical)

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(1 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

I posted a couple of pictures of a UK Contessa and the chart table solution it's owner developed.  With the right drawer slides I think one could eliminate the metal support which appears in the foreground of the deployed table.

You could also hinge a panel between the icebox and the sink and lower it out of the way when not in use.

There is a great pivoting cabin table elsewhere on this site which might easily double as a chart table.

Good luck!

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(4 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

I understand the frustration that has lead you to a portapotti.  The old Brydon Boy's are a curse.  I remember the satisfaction of taking a chainsaw to the old factory-installed head. 

When I changed mine I did some research that made me think that a Simpson-Lawrence head was intended for the Contessa as the bowls are relatively low.  These are no longer in production and were really a UK thing.

I now have a vintage Raritan PH II which works like a charm.  In the Gallery section there are photos of several head installations.

The real challenge is that the Porta-Potti is intended to sit flat and the Contessa has too much curvature in that area.  If you are seriously pursuing this I would relocate the head under the V-Berth.  You won't be able to use it and the V-Berth at the same time but the Porta-Potty should fit. 

As usual, measure measure measure.

Good luck!

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(2 replies, posted in Technical)

Thanks John!  I was worried about bottoming out if I go too light but now you've given me something else to consider.

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(2 replies, posted in Technical)

Good day all!

I am brainstorming my way towards a new trailer and am trying to pin down the weights.  The advertised displacement for our Contessas is 5400 lbs.  What I don't know is what (if anything) is included in this 5400 lbs.  Sails, food, fuel, clothes, etc. 

Has anyone passed a weigh scale to check the actual weight of their boat?

The reason I am trying to pin this down has to do with the selection of trailer axles.  A pair of 3500 lb axles will support 7000 lbs.  Alternatively I go up one level and work with relatively stiff 5200 lb axles.  I will probably end up with the heavier wheel sets but I wondered if I have the option.

Many thanks!

Christopher

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(3 replies, posted in Wanted)

Good day!

I am looking for a trailer for my Contessa.  I already have a beautiful six-post folding steel cradle from Marine Cradle Shop but have a project requiring a trailer.  Would anyone with a tired old trailer like to switch to a sturdy cradle?  My cradle is now four years old, and all connections have been treated with anti-seize compound to ensure that the bolts can be removed for folding and summer storage.

Some marinas and yacht clubs require members to use folding cradles to free up space on their properties -- maybe this is your situation?  If you would like to be rid of your old trailer let me know. 

I can put some cash towards the transaction in addition to my cradle but the amount will depend on the trailer and its condition.

Many thanks!

Christopher

Speaking of zincs -- my old Petter lives in fresh water and I do not know where the zincs are (or were) for the engine.  Can anyone give me a map or a photo or something so I can get this addressed?

Thanks!

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(7 replies, posted in Wanted)

That's great Stefan!  Now all I need is someone I can pay in beer and scintillating conversation to do the welding for me! 

You can see why I am keen to recycle my cradle -- the stands and pads are already there, as is much of the supporting steel.  Alternatively, I start from scratch and sell the cradle to finance this effort.

This is a fun project to think about this winter.  I want to sail my boat down to the Maritimes and am thinking a trailer to get it home is better than trying to buck the current in the St. Lawrence on my way back upstream to Montreal.  Sail downhill and drive back up...

Let me see if I get this straight:  you have a new Yanmar to be installed on your boat.  The Yanmar is cooled using freshwater.  The choice is whether to fit a heat exchanger so that sea water can be used to cool the fresh water and thereby the engine, or to fit a keel cooler so that the cooling takes place outside the hull.  A keel cooler might eliminate a circulating pump *IF* raw water is not used to cool the exhaust.  Otherwise you are still pumping raw water from a through-hull into the boat.  The little bit that I know about keel coolers suggests that they shine where the exhaust is a dry-type, and where water is very muddy such that filters and pumps are prone to clogging. 

Insofar as plumbing raw water directly through the engine, I would not recommend it.  As a Petter owner, corrosion of the aluminum block is a fear for me -- so many dissimilar metals -- iron pistons, steel bearings, aluminum block, bronze pump, etc.  To my mind installing a new engine is a chance to do this right.  Definitely no salt water inside the engine.  Salt water should stop at the heat exchanger and then pass directly to the exhaust for overboard discharge. 

(Aside:  the corrosion question has me so paranoid that I have bought a small water tank for plumbing into the engine cooling system.  Using this tank I can flush the Petter's cooling lines with a burst of fresh water before shutting down the engine.)

Also, your new engine should come with the heat exchanger already in place for installation.  Is the heat exchanger not included in the purchase price of the marinized Yanmar?  I don't know about the keel cooler.

Anyone else read Paul's question differently than I have?

Good luck with the engine!  It is a fun project.

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(7 replies, posted in Wanted)

Thanks for that -- it sounds like we have similar Marine Cradle Shop cradles.  I remember when I ordered the thing I pushed a heavy duty version and was discouraged -- in hindsight I should have pushed harder.  Mine is the same width but 121" long.  The main beams are channels 5x1.75.  This is one of my problems -- I fear that it might not be stiff enough for the weight supported with axles. 

Anyway, with respect to the transport cradle vs. storage cradle, your point is well taken and I will have to think about how to manage this.  Courtesy of Google I have learned that the most restrictive province for trailers is Alberta:  Maximum trailer width: 2.6 meters (8 feet 5 inches).  Maximum trailer height: 3.85 meters (12 feet 6 inches).  Maximum trailer length:  12.5 meters (41 feet).  Other provinces allow taller trailers and length is not a problem.

I guess I am trying to figure out if I can build a trailer for under $2k, given that the pros are all saying $5k.  Axles and brakes, wheels, lights, etc. are about $1000 based on what I have found on-line, so the unknown cost is the steel frame.  Using Torsion axles allows one to use a simple flat frame and not a drop frame as is required with leaf springs.  Should be very simple to build.  Note the operative word SHOULD. 

I guess I need to chase down a welder...

Nice winter dream project -- thanks for the input.

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(7 replies, posted in Wanted)

I was thinking about this problem -- if one uses Torflex axles, the frame sits much lower -- so much so that a flat structure like my cradle could sit almost as low as it might be possible with drop axles.

The cheap and cheerful trailer therefore consists of my cradle, a couple of Torflex axles and a tongue.  I could stiffen the cradle as necessary without much effort (read $$$).

My question lies in its width.  My cradle measures just 52.5 inches wide.  Bolting axles to it might yield a trailer less than 80 inches wide overall.  Is this too narrow?  I am not certain.  Were the boat being trucked, the cradle and the boat would be lifted onto a flat bed trailer and away they would go.  Is it necessary to have a wide trailer for road use when the cradle suffices for trucks?  Google has not yet answered this one unfortunately.

I think Ivan will have better info for you -- my 1976 mast is quite different from yours.  Good luck!

I know the easy way to make this switch -- swap masts with one from one of the older boats which do not have internal halyards!  Want to trade?  smile

I am curious about the source of water ingress.  My bilge is usually pretty dry with the exception of the usual drip from the stern tube.  Where is your leak?

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(15 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Here here Stefan!  Common sense!  I agree that it is important to fix what is broken or seized or impractical.   And of course plug all the leaks. 

I just think that we sometimes go overboard refurbishing, fixing things that are not broken (my handsome bronze portlights are an example of overboard on my boat -- hours of effort for what amounts to what was there before).  When I wrote the entry above I was picturing rewiring the light at the stem of the boat, not because it wasn't working, but because I got it into my head that I needed to replace all the old wires with tinned stuff.  Having re-plumbed and re-tanked and re-wired and re-placed many parts of my boat, I derive a certain personal satisfaction from the completed jobs but am very much aware that I have missed out on a lot of sailing...

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(15 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

The Dana is pretty and would turn heads as you enter the harbour.  I suspect the wide Dana is a little slower than our slender Contessas.  Interesting to look at both boats -- each has classic shapes and configurations.  They are also scale models of the originals.  Wouldn't a Contessa 52 (a doubling of our current boats) be a spectacular machine?

I've said it elsewhere but in my opinion the key to a great offshore cruising boat is comfort.  Were it me with an additional $40k to work with I would be definitely increasing in size.  In general larger boats are more stable in waves, are drier, safer and sail faster.  Standing headroom on a long trip is so nice.  In addition, larger boats are often already better equipped than smaller boats and any required upgrades would cost about the same.  For example, a Cape Horn wind vane costs about the same for both 26' and 36' boats. 

I would look seriously at the intended trip and ask if I could do it without pouring money into the boat.  If I want a boat to sail from island to island do I really need a boat that can sail for six months out of sight of land?  I agree with Lin & Larry Pardey on this one -- go small and go now.  You can have the most tricked-out boat imaginable but if it takes you 10 years and thousands and thousands of dollars to get to the beginning of the voyage then what is the point? 

It is fashionable, particularly in the trade press, to poo-poo boats and systems which are not "current".  We often panic that our boat's systems are not up to "standard".  Standards have their place but it is important to recognize that many of our boats have served well for the last 30 years and continue to do so for a few more years more without changes/upgrades.

So in answer to your question, I would cut $30k out of the upgrade budget and put it into the acquisition budget.  Or if you are comfortable with "camping" aboard the Contessa then put $10k into the Contessa and bank the rest as spending money for the trip.  Wouldn't a hot shower and a good meal in a posh hotel be great after a bad passage?

Christopher

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(12 replies, posted in Boat handling / Performance)

I bought stainless springs for my boat to support the blocks.  At less than $2 each they were the cheapest thing at the Chandlers'!

I saw a nifty arrangement on a Contessa named Blue Peter last summer.  The boat is based in Charlottetown but I do not believe that her owner Peter is on this board yet.  I've posted a picture in the Technical Gallery.  Further to my last on this subject, an arrangement like this would allow a relatively simple 1:1 or 2:1 sheet with the heavy work done by the two traveller legs.  That is 4:1 or 6:1 on each of the two legs.

Cheers!

Christopher

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(12 replies, posted in Boat handling / Performance)

The main sheet arrangement on my 1976 Contessa starts at the end of the boom, down to the deck to port, then back to the boom and down to the deck on starboard (creating the A shape bridging the tiller) and then back to the boom end where it turns, runs under the boom all the way to the mast, then down to the deck at the mast base and finally across the cabin top to a cam cleat.  It is not fast to release nor is it intuitive but it does work and makes the mainsheet more central. 

I have seen a number of ways to manage the main sheets on our boats none of which seems to be ideal.  It makes for a pleasant doodle during a boring meeting though.  I think it would be cool to hide all the tackle inside the boom.

My friend cPaul just installed a traveller on his boat Lolly Jo and loves it.  I KNOW he will post here in due course to tell everyone about it.

Here is a question though.  My current arrangement is a 4:1 tackle.  Paul's new one is a 2-speed Speed-Sheet system that gives him a choice of 2:1 and 6:1 advantage.  (Paul correct me if I am wrong).  I only need the 4:1 level of mechanical advantage when close-hauled.  On a reach or a run I can pull the boom with little effort.  (Try it when you next sail.)  In order to provide 4:1 advantage for the whole range of movement of the boom A LOT of rope is required.  So here is my question to those of you who sail in far worse conditions than I:  do I need 4:1 or 6:1 advantage through the whole range of motion of the boom?  Assuming not, then I should be able to cook up something that gives the boom range of movement and has appropriate loading on the sheets for the whole range.  Hmmmm.  More doodles.

Christopher

Congratulations on your boat!

I too have the Petter engine and am pleased with it too. 

The transmission is a worry -- maybe the cables are out of adjustment?  If so you are blessed by an inexpensive fix.  If not the cables, plan on disconnecting it and bringing it ashore for service over the winter.  A warning though -- I tried disconnecting my shaft coupling a couple of years ago (and mine's a fresh water boat) and found that all the bolts were frozen solid.  I spend a day fighting with it and decided that I really did not need to disconnect things after all.  wink  Getting your transmission out sounds may be much easier said than done.

Your exhaust system may be original to the boat -- it's only 35 years young so problems are not unexpected.  Were it me I would order a new Vetus exhaust system.  The Vetus stuff works great and comes up on eBay regularly.  I went from no muffler two a new dual chamber unit and the noise difference was incredible -- well worth the effort.  The hose will be expensive but, as you've discovered, you need it and need it to be right.

Here's a thought:  even if you buy the Beta, you will still need to replace your exhaust system so you may as well start there and go sailing. smile 

The Beta you are considering is a fine engine -- the two cylinder will be smoother than the Petter and have more power too.  However, replacing any engine is not for the faint of heart -- you could spend thousands of dollars on this project and it will suck up time! 

No doubt others here may have much more to say on the subject. 

Good luck!

On my boat the panel is secured by about a dozen twist fasteners (1/2 turn to release) and a rubber seal prevents water from passing between the panel and the boat.

I would probably install heavy duty plastic deck plates in the large fibreglass panel.  The panel could then be secured permanently and the deck plates used to access the storage area below.  The deck plates will be easier to open and easier to handle than is he large panel.  Large sturdy deck plates are on eBay all the time at low cost. 

I know there is great debate about the merits of inboard or outboard engines but were it me, I would be watching the classifieds here and picking up a used inboard for the boat.  I believe it to be a great convenience and will enhance the resale value of the boat.

Christopher

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(7 replies, posted in Wanted)

I was looking at flatbed equipment haulers as an alternative.  I already have a steel cradle so it seemed to be less costly to find a used flatbed and haul everything around with it.  Good hunting!

If it helps, I measured 50" at the top of the transom but it was a while ago and I don't know how accurate was the measurement.

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(8 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

I agree -- no harm reefing at the dock, especially for maiden voyage.  If conditions turn light then it will be easy to shake it out again.  Similarly, for 20 knots you may want the working jib instead of the big genoa.

Christopher