326

(11 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

I'm also toying with the idea of a mid cockpit mounted traveller, removeable for partying...  Some big pins, and reinforcement of the surrounding area....  And I like biminis - sail all day and never get sunburnt.

327

(4 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

They built em with what they had I guess.  I like the sounds of your setup better, which was pretty much what I had in mind.  Either way, I'm building some new bulkheads from 1/2 ply, and they'll fit tight.  And be bolted through.  And the posts will be installed permanently, or mostly permanently with the intent to act as compression posts.  As they were, they just sat on the floor.  Real Great.....

328

(10 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Good to hear!  Maybe the new owner should change the name.....  It doesn't take long for bad news to circulate, but takes a while to build business back up again.  They used to do some awful work.  Electrical work that was downright scary.  When it comes down to it though, there are very very few decent marine outfits in this area.  That or my standards are too high...  If you want it done right do it.......  In any event, I'll pass along to anyone that asks that the place is under new ownership and maybe worth checking out... Cheers

Stef

329

(4 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Mine's fine... 

Look at the liner in front of the cross member on some boats.  Where the bulkhead posts are.  I bet that the liner is cracked where the cabintop has been pushed downwards.  Doesn't mean that the cross member is done, but it means that the cabintop moves up and down when you sail.

But I've heard of 2 that had cracked cross members.  I can see that the bulkhead is supposed to take some loading - but if you look at the way the thing is built its pretty shitty.  There's .750 clearance between the top of the bulkhead and liner/cabintop.  So the cabin top is not directly supported by the bulkhead.  The bulkhead sits on the floor.  The bulkhead is plywood, and fastened to the cross member with a half dozen wood screws on either side.  How much can this really take??  Maybe it's just me, but this doesn't seem to be the most desireable setup.  Compression posts would be far better. 

Based on what I've done, the cross member does transmit cabintop loading (mast or people...) to the hull/deck joint through the side decks.  The horizontals at the end of the cross member should be (but I'm sure on a lot of boats they were and aren't now) bonded to the bottomside of the deck.  I've got both bulkheads out, screw jacks supporting the cross member (acting as the bulkheads...), the new decking all bonded in place but havn't bonded the horizontals to the new decking.  Step on the cabintop, or even just sit inside and pull down on the hatch opening, and you can plainly see those horizontals pull away, down from the deck.  To me that means that some loading is transmitted to the deck and hull/deck joint.

330

(4 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Anyone ever given any thought to making the bulkhead posts permanent and act as compression posts?  The Contessa is one of the only boats I've ever seen that doesn't have a compression post or a keel stepped mast. 

Having my boat all apart, and I mean all apart, it's easy to see why the deck oilcans on these boats - it's very apparent that mast loads are transmitted through the glassed in "cross member" to the deck, and then to the hull.  The only transmission of mast loads to the hull (where you want them) is at the hull/deck joint, localized at the cross member.  There is no member in compression that supports the mast directly.

Building a mast support beam, as seen, would help, but only by strengthening the cabintop and transmitting more load to the side decks and hull deck joint - which would stop the oilcanning.  The bulkhead posts rest on the floor, and up against the liner.  I'd bet that on every Co26 that has actually been sailed, you'll see the liner  is stressed or cracked where the bulkhead posts sit.  Solution?  Thru bolt the posts to the cross member (sleeves, brass or otherwise thru the wood) and then cut away the floor liner and glass em to the hull.   At least I think so.  Ideas anyone?

331

(10 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Watch out for Crinan Marine..  Overcharges, and generally just does piss poor work.

332

(11 replies, posted in Sails & Rigging)

ANyone out there toyed with the idea of a cabin top traveller?  Means you can have a bimini then, and still lift the tiller up to have a party in the cockpit...  Just wondering...

333

(54 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

86E number is not a serial number.  It's a Canadian license number,  found on the fro t of the boat.  The E designates the boat was originally licensed in Ontario, and the 86 designates the issuing customs office (86 is Toronto, I believe...).  Cheers

334

(17 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

As long as it doesn't get wet.  Which is why I'm at this point anyways.  As long as I own the boat, the core will stay dry. 
The big factors are simplicity, and simplicity.  It'll be better than any other Contessa that has original coring in the decks...

335

(17 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

time, money, simplicity, the area in which I have to work, the fact that if balsa ever does get wet it turns to mush, etc etc

336

(17 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Mine basically sounded out as one big void.....  After pulling the deck  apart from the inside (gettin the old plywood out) I'd say that maybe 80% of the surface area of the foredeck wasn't bonded to the upper skin.  The edges were bonded, but in the centre it was not and never was bonded.  Not enough resin?  Probably not.  I'd say that the decking was installed after upper skin cured.  Probably even after they popped the deck from the mold they put the plywood in, and then covered with 1 layer of chopped strand.  So, if you're trying to bond a flat peice of plywood to the forward deck which is sagging in the middle a bit (don't forget, the deck is still inverted at this point), then she aint gonna stick.  Anyways, the wood is now all out from the chainplates forward, and I'll replace it with smaller sections and stagger them like a hardwood floor (so to have no continuous gap running fore and aft...  stiffer...)

Did Taylor get smart and use solid glass underneath the stanchions on later boats?  Cause mine was all plywood....  And once you get plywood wet, there aint no way it's ever gonna dry out....  Cheers

Stef

338

(15 replies, posted in Technical)

Tiller brake or a peice of rope, and good sail trim.  Enough said for one of these boats...

Well.  It's done.  I cut into the deck....  From the bottom....  I've started the job of deck core replacement on my 74.  After some careful consideration, I decided to cut away at the liner inside to gain access to the deck underneath the chainplates and thru deck fitting area.  The good news:  the plywood coring is is segments.  So it all doesnt have to be replaced.  Doing it inside will make it easier than doing it fromt the outside, and I'll be able to hide the repair better.  The bad news:  the aft deck area - basically from the aft winch pad all the way to the transom (where there was standing water as the boat sat for 7 years) is not going to be accesible from the bottom.  These are the only trouble areas as found with a Sovereign Moisture meter and also a Wagner electronic  moisture meter.  Both gave very accurate readings as to the localized areas of moisture.

The plywood deck under the chainplates and thru deck fittings is wet.  Dripping wet.  Rotten wet.  REBED YOUR CHAINPLATES!  REBED YOUR THRU DECKS!  Often.  2 hours of work a year from previous owners would save this trouble for people like me.  Too bad not everyone thinks like me.  Too bad its a plywood core.  Good thing it's segmented......  Otherwise this boat would take 100 years to get done...

Anyways, some rainy day I'll post some pictures but for now, I'll just keep working on my boat.  Anyone done any repairs like this before?  Contessa related hints?  Cheers All...

340

(0 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Has anyone out there done any deck repairs on their Contessa?  I'm (un)fortunate enough to be blessed with my 74 that I now know has plywood coring.  Fun.  I cut out the galley, and saw that the cabinetry was all balsa cored and had hope, but today I learned the bad news. 

The core was all wet around the chainplate and thru deck areas.  It looks and sounds delaminated.  Brass tap hammer is your best friend.  How far the water has gotten thru the plywood, I'm still not sure.  It sounds well beyond these areas, but I'll drill, dig, and inject around all stanchion bases and other thru deck intrusions.  As far as the mid decks area goes, I'm thinking of lifting the top layers of glass, recoring with Core Mat, and re glassing - eventually to re gelcoat the decks in the non skid areas, and paint the smooth strips.  Just to make it easy - no wetsanding on the non skid.  If I did the smooth in gelcoat thered be a bit of wetsanding.  That and Gelcoat wears better than paint, and goes down almost as easy where the non skid will be.

Another point of concern for some people out there would be the transom.  On plywood cored boats especially.  There is a peice of core material (which is depending on your boat) encapsulated in the transom area.  As I've learned as well, a substandard ladder installation has made a mess of this core.  The gudgeon installation from the factory leaves a bit to be desired as well - screws thru with nuts&washers, no backing plate or nothing.  Looks like water can get in here too.

Moral of the story:  every hole thru any part of your boat is a maintenance item....

The deck drains and cockpit drains from either side are teed together and drain into a thru hull on the opposite side.  On my 74, it looks stock save for some replaced hoses.  I don't really like it, as the thru hulls are below the waterline and there are no seacocks...  Sounds like it could sink the boat.  Anyways, I've just today pulled all the thru hulls and I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the drains. 

I like the idea of the scuppers as seen on later boats - which would drain water coming over the toerail quite fast as the boat levels out again.  The only thing I dont like is cutting into the hull deck joint,  glassing things all back together again, and keep it watertite.  That, and I don't have the foggiest where to find the aluminium caps seen on newer boats as well.  I could make some, but as the list of things I need to go grows I keep thinking I'd like to get this boat in the water in the next hundred years or so... 

Has anyone out there cut the scuppers in to an older boat?  If you did, let me know how you did it....

342

(11 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

I've chamfered all the screw holes for the toerail cap, grinding out the crazing caused by the holes not being chamfered in the first place, and filled with a mixture of West and Colloidal Silica filler (to get the putty consistency that I want).  After looking close at the joint, and digging all of the old dried up putty out, my plan as of today is to rough up the space between the joint, dig any delaminated glass and gelcoat off (or out of) the downturned edge of the deck, and squeez some more of my goop.  If any big chunks of the deck edge come off, I'll re-glass in some new peices of cloth but it doesn't look as though that will be necessary.  After filling the 'gap' with my mix then I'll never have to worry about the hull deck joint leaking as long as I own the boat.  (I dont think it leaked in the first place).  Maybe run a bead of Sikaflex just for overkill, and then I'm done.  Now all I need are smaller hands to get ebtween the hull and liner to pull the genny car track off.........

"I regret that this probably hasn't been as high-tech and exciting as you may have expected. Hopefully, next time."

Why?  How many hours has anyone out there spent conjuring up a fix to  a simple problem?  And then how many hours spent on implementing said fix?  And then after examining results of said fix for aforementioned problem, how many of us have thought "well, I could have just done ... ". 

After seeing the photos, I'm about 99.9% sure how I'm going to seal up my cockpit floor panels now.  My '74 has the three panels, so they'd nip down even tighter on the "gasket".  As far as speed goes, I'll always have cordless drill or a speed handle on board (for then the cordless drill gets wet.  it will.  you know it will.)

Now if only I could get Merril to tell me his secret on how to fit big engine mounts in the "engine bay"....

344

(28 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

After having a look at some other pictures, I now do realize that the pintles on my boat are not stock.  I suppose I should have gathered this by the fact that it's not the original rudder (the lady that owned the boat before me had the rudder break at the waterline.  She was in a storm just off of Hawaii...).  The replacement rudder that was built is bulletproof, and my pintles are well overbuilt as well.  I think I'll add a third.  Overbuilt isn't always bad.....

345

(28 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Why cast and machined?  Why not just machined from billet stock.  I've got the rudder off my JJT boat, and unfortunately havn't given much of a thought to it or looked at it in all that much detail.  It's on the job list, but among about another billion things to address I;ve first got to finish patching the hole I cut in the hull (starboard side, after removing the liner,  in the galley area where there was a nice fire) - pictures to come eventually.  Anyways, from what I recall, the gudgeons should be fairly easy to machine, and the pintles are just pins welded to some sheet ( < .250) stock that is bent and has some holes in it.  Could make the pintles out of stainless and the gudgeons as well, with a nice nylatron (wear resistant, glass or otherwise reinforced nylon.  and it machines really nice) bushing or something of the sort.  I'm reluctant to take on "new" or "side" projects as my progress on my "project" (boat) is more than a bit depressing, but if there is sufficient demand...  Cheers all.

346

(5 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Just lift it up and boom no drag.  Too bad an outboard on the back of a Contessa looks like shite.  If you have a two blade prop, after you shut the engine down, you can turn the propshaft so that the prop lies in the lee of the keel.  Better than having a folding prop because it will back up better.  Not that you could swing a folding prop on a Contessa anyways.

As for the weight?  A Honda 9.9 longshaft weights 110 lbs.  A Yanmar 1GM10 weighs 170 lbs.  In a Contessa that 170 lbs in in a better position along the centreline of the boat, and low slung in the hull as inboards in these boats are, than any weight hanging off the back of the boat.  That, and an extra 60 pounds won't make the boat sail all that much worse.  Really.

Personally I'd rather have the inboard.  I mean, that's a lot of space that could be filled up by beer, but an outboard really does screw up the lines of these boats......

*weight figures are approximate.  The Honda really weighs 108 or 111 pounds depending, and the 1gm10 is specd at 167.  I added a bit for carbon in the exhaust elbow....

347

(1 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

Well... Let's just say it's just a bit more than the draft of a Beneteau 36s7.  There (was) one next to me in the yard, and from the bottom of the keels (at the same level)  the top of the toerail on my Contessa was below the waterline of this behemoth.  That would make the bottom of the keel to the toerail about 6'6".  Or somewhere around there.  I'll be at the boat on the weekend, and if I remember I'll measure more accurately for you.  Cheers.

348

(15 replies, posted in General Questions/Comments)

If the boat is still in Kingston, and you're back and forth between Kingston and Montreal, send me an email and we can get in touch.  I'm working on a project '74 Taylor Contessa and it's currently at Iroquois (just off 401 about an hour before kingston if you're heading westbound) and will be for another month or so.  If you'd like you could stop by and see my Contessa thats mostly stripped, and see some areas of concern.  Just a thought.  Drop me a line. I'm down there mostly every weekend (except for the really rainy days - inside the garage jobs....)

349

(4 replies, posted in Technical)

So here's the scoop.  Last fall, I bought a set of new 2GM mounts over eBay at an attractive price.  The 1GM that was in the boat came home, and when I lifted it out, all 4 mounts fell into the bilge.  A little exfoliation corrosion going on there no doubt...  The price of new mounts is well beyond exhorbitant, and I'm on a budget and therefore determined to make the bigger mounts work.  Anyways, upon construction of a template with the intent to build some new engine beds (Thats another story, whomever installed the engine sure likes marine-tex.  Some people should not be allowed near tools and boats at the same time.), it seems that I'm going to have a hard time fitting this puppy in on the larger mounts.  I'd like to so something similar to the beds found in the "repowering a Contessa" site, but it seems that with the increased width of the 2GM mounts (1/2" either side) this is just plain not going to happen.  I know of at least one Contessa with a 2GM installed (Merrill...?) and I also know that both engines share the same transmission and therefore the rear mount position would be the same.  How did you shoehorn the back end of that engine in?  Did you use stock mounts?  I was thinking I could cut the mounts down a bit - ie taper the backs of them, and it seems that I won't be able to keep the front and rear mounts parallel either way, so I'll have to angle the rear ends of the rear mounts inward.  I'm not terribly crazy about changing the postion of the brackets on the engine (higher or lower or closer to the centreline) because thats not where they're designed to go.  I also can't move the engine a whole lot forward (probably 3 or 4" from original mounting position) because of the raw water intake....  Anyways, any ideas or past experiences would be helpful.....

350

(2 replies, posted in Repairs/Modifications/Upgrades)

Anyone know the rough opening for the cabin portholes?  I'm thinking that the Beckson ports in there now are 5"X12", but thats just from what I think.  I never measured them.  Just wondering.  I came across a deal on a set of Bomar ports that I think are going to work, but the boat's a ways away and I want to satiate my curiosity.  I didn't have the opportunity to head down to the boat to measure...  Either way.  They'll work or I'll sell em to someone else....